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What does it mean to be a black man in 2019? That’s the question Brandon Hay and Twysted Mugler have dedicated their work to exploring.

Brandon is the founder of the Black Daddies Club, a support group he created when he realized there was a real lack of parenting resources for him and other dads in the community. The group works to support Black men in their individual and unique experiences as fathers and aims to support Black children, families and the larger communities.

Twysted (his stage him) is a community activist and one of the first to bring the queer art form of “ball community” to Canada. His background is in dance—specifically voguing—and he says Twysted refers to what it was like growing up as a Black, Christian, queer man.

Together, they’re the curators of the Journey to Black Liberation Symposium in Toronto, an event dedicated to challenging the ideas surrounding black masculinity, love healing and honesty.

You can watch our conversation with Brandon and Twysted in the video clip above.